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Re: School of Oriental and African Studies, London

rick.lich...@virgin.net (Turenne) — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:35:37 UT

I've just been in touch with a pal who was at SOAS. He's going to dig
out his old degree certificate just in case the tinctured arms are
displayed at the top.
Richard Lichten (ex UCL)

Re: School of Oriental and African Studies, London

ghp95...@yahoo.com (guy) — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:08:50 UT

Andrew, I can't find a blazon either. I did find this:
[link]
Petition to reinstate the old SOAS emblem
Category: Student Groups - Alumni Groups
Description: This is, admittedly, a spin-off of the "The SOAS old-
school emblem appreciation society" group. This is a petition to have

School of Oriental and African Studies, London

and...@yong.org.uk (Andrew) — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:42:57 UT

I was wondering if someone could help me with this very distinctive
coat of arms - I have found a black and white image, and a blazon of
the shield: "Argent a cross gules in the first quarter a sword in pale
points upwards of the last on a chief also gules an open book proper
between a lotus bud on the dexter and a lotus slipped and leaved on

Re: Does the Holy Father grant arms to devout catholics on behalf of the Holy See and Vatican?

chledow...@gmail.com (ArtyO) — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:47:38 UT

Very Droll Pan Lucki :)
I have a feeling that our dear Mr Poursuivant is rather young and full
of Piss and Vinegar. Let's not
discourage the poor fellow, in discovering the wonderful complexities
of Heraldry.
Cheers;
Capt Chledowski

Re: Duke ready to give up title

heraldryad...@yahoo.com (Martin Goldstraw) — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:28:48 UT

This is indeed the case. He is out of time.
Martin

Re: Duke ready to give up title

rick.lich...@virgin.net (Turenne) — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:01:19 UT

I don't think he intends to dislaim, but merely to cease using his
title.
Frankly, I think it's all hot air; the interviewer caught him on a bad
day!
Richard L

Re: Duke ready to give up title

ccz...@googlemail.com (JC Horton) — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:38:09 UT

It may perhaps be worth pointing that, without a change in the law, he
can't disclaim.

Re: Does the Holy Father grant arms to devout catholics on behalf of the Holy See and Vatican?

scoti...@comcast.net (Greg) — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:03:18 UT

I think that this all goes back to th larger question, namely: has the
Pope recognized this specific name and title in the past? If so, then
it would be matriculation. If not, then I'm afraid that the advice
about the difficulty of the project has the leading edge.
If a Cronista can find such evidence, and if the lineage is worked out

Re: Different heraldic traditions applied to signet rings

ab.chap...@yourfinger.rogers.com (Andrew Chaplin) — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:17:30 UT

The Poursuivant <english.heral...@googlemail.c om> wrote in news:076c0bd6-
5ad9-4236-9706-757a3733e...@a1 8g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
A signet ring was sometimes the gift from English parents to offspring
reaching their majority, even among non-armigers. My father's signet was a
griffin's head erased with a foul anchor incised on the neck done in lapis

Re: Different heraldic traditions applied to signet rings

rick.lich...@virgin.net (Turenne) — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:44:50 UT

On 15 Mar, 06:41, The Poursuivant <english.heral...@googlemail.c om>
wrote:
Why the obsession with signet rings?
Richard L

Re: Different heraldic traditions applied to signet rings

english.heral...@googlemail.com (The Poursuivant) — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:41:53 UT

By the way gentlemen, how deep exactly is deep engraving on a signet
ring? 1mm? 2mm?
Do English people only ever wear gold signet rings or sometimes signet
rings that are set with a semi-precious stone such as agate or
carnelian, ruby etc...? I wear a plain gold one but I seem to meet a
lot of people who engrave the crest & wreath into the surface of a

Re: Does the Holy Father grant arms to devout catholics on behalf of the Holy See and Vatican?

ulys...@gmail.com (Outis) — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:04:55 UT

Corrections: life peers are apparently "peers" but not "nobility", at
least according to a cursory research. I'm not sure if there's a
legal distinction or it's purely a matter of custom.

Re: Does the Holy Father grant arms to devout catholics on behalf of the Holy See and Vatican?

ulys...@gmail.com (Outis) — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:47:49 UT

I stand corrected re: US and titles. Still, the papal counts granted
since the last century or so are considered honorary by the Pope's
decree, not due to any US laws.
As for my admittedly idiosyncratic definition: grants of the type you
mentioned are still attached to a "fief", even if the connection is

Re: Does the Holy Father grant arms to devout catholics on behalf of the Holy See and Vatican?

mcmillan...@gmail.com (Joseph McMillan) — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:13:46 UT

By this standard, no British peerage granted for the last several
centuries would fall within your idiosyncratic definition of "title,"
since none of them have involved "feudal title to a fief." Being
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein didn't give Field Marshal Montgomery
any feudal rights to the village on the Egyptian coast, unfortunately